Legislature(2001 - 2002)

03/22/2001 08:09 AM House CRA

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HB 186-911 SURCHARGE ON MOBILE TELEPHONES                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER announced  that the only order  of business before                                                               
the  committee  today  would  be  HOUSE BILL  NO.  186,  "An  Act                                                               
relating  to  a  municipal  enhanced 911  surcharge  on  wireless                                                               
telephones."                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 0115                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS declared a  conflict of interest because she                                                               
is  currently  on  paid  leave  from  the  Alaska  Communications                                                               
Systems   (ACS).      There    was   objection,   and   therefore                                                               
Representative Guess was required to participate.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
Number 0157                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER,  Alaska State  Legislature, testified  as sponsor                                                               
of  HB 186.    Co-Chair  Meyer informed  the  committee that  the                                                               
Enhanced  911  (E911)  system  provides  a  visual  location  and                                                               
telephone number of the person  calling 911.  Therefore, the E911                                                               
system  provides faster  response time  and automatic  routing to                                                               
the appropriate  emergency response unit.   Currently, 25 percent                                                               
of the  [911] calls  in Anchorage  are from  wireless telephones,                                                               
however "we" don't have the  technology or the capability for the                                                               
E911  system  [with wireless  calls].    Therefore, wireless  911                                                               
calls are not  automatically routed nor do they  provide a visual                                                               
location  both  of  which result  in  inefficiency.    Currently,                                                               
Anchorage  imposes a  surcharge of  up to  $.50 for  wireline 911                                                               
calls.   This surcharge was made  possible by the enactment  of a                                                               
state law  in 1994.   Therefore, HB  186 would amend  the current                                                               
state law to allow municipalities  to impose a [911] surcharge on                                                               
wireless telephones, which many  cities across the nation already                                                               
do.   Co-Chair Meyer  directed the committee  to the  bill packet                                                               
that  includes  his  sponsor statement,  letters  of  support,  a                                                               
sectional analysis by Legislative  Legal and Research Services, a                                                               
legislative  priority  list  from  the  City  of  Anchorage,  and                                                               
letters from the industry.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 0488                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK  MEW,  Deputy  Chief,  Anchorage  Police  Department  (APD),                                                               
testified  via  teleconference.   He  pointed  out that  although                                                               
[APD]  has  been  collecting a  surcharge  for  a  communications                                                               
center and 911  capability, the revenue collected  does not cover                                                               
the entire cost of the operation.   With the increase in wireless                                                               
communication, wireless calls  are making up a  larger portion of                                                               
the call  load.   Therefore, one  consideration is  just handling                                                               
all the  incoming calls,  many of  which are  duplicate.   In the                                                               
past  although many  people might  see  an accident,  only a  few                                                               
people would  actually have access  to a  phone.  However,  it is                                                               
now  customary  for the  entire  center  to receive  20-30  calls                                                               
reporting  the  same  event.     This  possibility  requires  the                                                               
communications  center to  be staffed  so that  all calls  can be                                                               
answered, even  though they  may be  duplicate calls.   Sometimes                                                               
there  are so  many calls  that the  911 capacity  is overloaded,                                                               
which means  that there  are more incoming  calls than  there are                                                               
incoming  lines.   Therefore,  some  of  the people  calling  911                                                               
receive a  busy signal  and there  is no way  to know  what those                                                               
people are calling about.  Therefore,  the need to expand the 911                                                               
system, at some point, is apparent.                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW  noted that he  isn't complaining about cell  phone calls                                                               
because  those   calls  result  in   more  accurate   and  timely                                                               
information.  Mr.  Mew said, "I think we owe  it to the community                                                               
to  respond to  that  [wireless  calls] and  be  able to  provide                                                               
timely response.   But  I also  think that  the people  using the                                                               
technology  should support  ...  our growth  and  our efforts  to                                                               
provide   that   service."       He   predicted   that   wireless                                                               
communications  will eventually  replace wireline  communications                                                               
and thus the revenue [for  the communication center] would shrink                                                               
at some point in the future.   This situation is occurring across                                                               
the  nation.    Soon  the  industry  will  change  and  Automatic                                                               
Location    Identification    (ALI)    and    Automatic    Number                                                               
Identification  (ANI) data  will  be  available through  cellular                                                               
communications.   Therefore, the collection of  a surcharge could                                                               
help  fund  whatever  [APD]  has  to do  in  order  to  meet  the                                                               
technological changes.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. MEW, in response to  Representative Scalzi, reiterated that a                                                               
couple  of years  ago,  there was  a study  that  showed that  25                                                               
percent of  the 911  calls were  wireless.   Mr. Mew  was certain                                                               
that the percentage had risen since then.                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
Number 0991                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
DOUG   ROBINSON,   Communications    Manager,   Municipality   of                                                               
Anchorage, testified  via teleconference.  He  began by informing                                                               
the committee  that currently 30  states have  passed legislation                                                               
for  the collection  of a  wireless 911  surcharge, which  ranges                                                               
from  $.35 to  $2.00 per  wireless phone.   The  revenue that  is                                                               
collected  would be  used to  assist in  financing equipment  and                                                               
software  upgrades for  the E911  public safety  answering points                                                               
(PSAP).   The  revenues would  also  be used  to modify  existing                                                               
mapping software  that would be  in the dispatch center  in order                                                               
to  display and  track the  wireless location  information within                                                               
the dispatch  center.  The  revenues from the  wireless surcharge                                                               
would also  be used to  develop required data interfaces  for the                                                               
computer  aided  dispatch  and to  perform  network  upgrades  to                                                               
current  E911  systems.    If   revenue  was  obtained  from  the                                                               
surcharge, then the upgrades would  be performed in order to pass                                                               
the wireless ANI and ALI information to the dispatch center.                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBINSON informed the committee  that a wireless surcharge as                                                               
a  cost  recovery  mechanism  is  endorsed  by  several  national                                                               
professional  organizations, such  as the  Association of  Public                                                               
Safety   Communication  Officials   (APSCO)   and  the   National                                                               
Emergency Number  Association (NENA).   He pointed out  that NENA                                                               
works with Project  Locate whose mandate is to have  a model city                                                               
in [each]  state so  that there is  Phase II  wireless technology                                                               
within their  dispatch centers.   Therefore,  that PSAP  would be                                                               
used as the model for other  PSAPs [as they work] to become Phase                                                               
II compliant.   He explained that Phase II  compliance means that                                                               
the ANI  and ALI  information could be  obtained from  a wireless                                                               
phone.   Anchorage  has been  selected as  the [model  city] that                                                               
will  receive [the  Phase II  wireless  technology].   Therefore,                                                               
Anchorage is  required to send  letters to the  wireless carriers                                                               
that request their  support in providing [the PSAP]  with the ANI                                                               
and ALI information for wireless  phones.  In turn, the necessary                                                               
upgrades  to receive  the wireless  information  within the  PSAP                                                               
would be done.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBINSON outlined  the timing of this.  He  said that between                                                               
April  and this  summer, PSAPs  that are  interested in  Phase II                                                               
technology should  write letters requesting such  to the wireless                                                               
carriers.    By  October  2001 the  wireless  carriers  that  are                                                               
choosing   the  handset-based   solution,   that   is  a   global                                                               
positioning  satellite   (GPS)  chip,  must  begin   selling  and                                                               
activating  the  handsets  with  the  location  capability.    By                                                               
December 31, 2002, 100 percent  of all new wireless handsets must                                                               
be location  capable.  By  December 31,  2005, 95 percent  of all                                                               
wireless  handsets and  the carriers  total subscriber  base must                                                               
have the location  capability.  In summary,  Mr. Robinson pointed                                                               
out  that Alaska  is  in  the bottom  third  of  the states  that                                                               
haven't put  in place a  911 surcharge.  He  felt that now  is an                                                               
appropriate time for Alaska to become involved in this.                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
Number 1383                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI  said he was  encouraged that the  GPS chip                                                               
would be  used.   He asked if  a 911 call  [on a  wireless phone]                                                               
would trigger the GPS.  He also  asked if there would be an added                                                               
cost in retrieving that GPS information.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROBINSON  explained  that  the  wireless  carriers  will  be                                                               
required to  provide the tracking  equipment.  Once the  GPS chip                                                               
is in the cellular phone, that  cellular phone will be tracked by                                                               
the  wireless carrier.    The  dispatch center  has  to have  the                                                               
mapping capability and  the ability to receive the  GPS signal in                                                               
order to have the information display on a mapping screen.                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI  related his  understanding that  this will                                                               
not be a direct link between  the cellular phone and the dispatch                                                               
center.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROBINSON explained that the [information] will pass through                                                                 
a controller of the wireless carrier to the dispatch center                                                                     
through the network.                                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 1528                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RAY GILLESPIE,  Lobbyist, AT&T Wireless,  read a letter  from Dan                                                               
Youmans, Director,  External Affairs,  Washington &  Alaska, AT&T                                                               
Wireless  Services,  Inc., which  is  included  in the  committee                                                               
packet.  Mr. Gillespie read the letter as follows:                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
     Dear Representative Meyer:                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     On behalf  of AT&T  Wireless [Services (AWS)],  I would                                                                    
     like to  thank you for  your interest in  public safety                                                                    
     and  the 911  emergency  communication  system.   [AT&T                                                                    
     Wireless Services]  is a strong  supporter of 911.   We                                                                    
     believe  wireless  phones   are  making  a  significant                                                                    
     contribution to  the safety  of wireless  customers and                                                                    
     the overall community  by providing immediate emergency                                                                    
     communication through the 911 system.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Because  wireless phones  are often  used to  call 911,                                                                    
     AT&T  Wireless  supports   a  reasonable  surcharge  on                                                                    
     wireless customers to help cover  the costs incurred by                                                                    
     the  Public Safety  Answering  Points  (PSAPs).   House                                                                    
     Bill 186 would  create a monthly surcharge of  up to 50                                                                    
     cents for  municipalities with a population  of 100,000                                                                    
     or greater, and  a monthly surcharge of up  to 75 cents                                                                    
     for  municipalities  with  a population  of  less  than                                                                    
     100,000.   [AT&T  Wireless  Services]  can support  the                                                                    
     legislation if  amended to create a  surcharge level at                                                                    
     50 cents for all municipalities statewide.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
     [AT&T  Wireless  Services]   feels  a  consistent  rate                                                                    
     across the state would be  a more equitable way to levy                                                                    
     the  911 surcharge,  especially  since wireless  phones                                                                    
     are used  by customers in multiple  jurisdictions.  For                                                                    
     example,  a  customer who  lives  in  Anchorage may  be                                                                    
     visiting Fairbanks  where he or  she may witness  a car                                                                    
     accident.  A  call to 911 on a wireless  phone would go                                                                    
     to the Fairbanks  PSAP.  The opposite may be  true of a                                                                    
     visitor  from  Fairbanks  calling  an  Anchorage  PSAP.                                                                    
     Since   wireless   phones   can   be   used   in   many                                                                    
     jurisdictions across the state  to make emergency phone                                                                    
     calls, it  seems only  fair that  the surcharge  be the                                                                    
     same no matter where the customer lives.                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     [AT&T Wireless  Services] would also like  to thank you                                                                    
     for   including  "cost   recovery"   language  in   the                                                                    
     legislation,  recognizing  the  [Federal  Communication                                                                    
     Commission's]  mandate  that carrier  costs  associated                                                                    
     with Enhanced 911 be  reimbursed in jurisdictions where                                                                    
     cost recovery mechanisms, like  the one contemplated by                                                                    
     this legislation, exist.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
     Thank you  for this opportunity to  provide comments on                                                                    
     House Bill 186.  Please feel  free to contact me if you                                                                    
     have any questions.                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
     Sincerely,                                                                                                                 
     Dan Youmans                                                                                                                
                                                                                                                                
Number 1700                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER related  his understanding  of the  letter to  be                                                               
that AT&T would like an amendment  that would require a flat $.50                                                               
fee no matter the location.                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLESPIE answered in the affirmative.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  said he imagined  that the difference in  the fee                                                               
was  because of  the population  differences.   For instance,  he                                                               
imagined that Anchorage would experience  more calls than Bethel.                                                               
Therefore, he  surmised that the  thought was that in  Bethel the                                                               
charge would be  higher in order to have the  same technology and                                                               
equipment  that is  in Anchorage.   That  same cost  differential                                                               
would exist with the cell phone, he thought.                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLESPIE clarified  the position of the  company, "They will                                                               
support  the  bill, the  surcharge  for  wireless and  landlines.                                                               
They are  reluctant, however,  to go  out and  support increasing                                                               
the cost  to their  customers above  50 cents.   It  doesn't mean                                                               
they're going to oppose the bill."                                                                                              
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  pointed out  that [with  the wireline  calls] the                                                               
$.50/$.75 split already exists.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR.  GILLESPIE noted  that  he wasn't  around  when the  landline                                                               
surcharge  was enacted  and  thus he  didn't  know the  rationale                                                               
behind the  differential.   Mr. Gillespie said,  "In the  case of                                                               
the  wireless,   I  think,  as  the   Municipality  of  Anchorage                                                               
indicated earlier,  that the percentage  of overall calls  to the                                                               
system may  be 25  percent.  It  could be up  to 50  percent now.                                                               
And a  50 percent  [cent] statewide rate,  I think  would reflect                                                               
probably more equitably that ...  proportion of calls coming from                                                               
landline and wireless."                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER referred to the  flat fee desired by AT&T Wireless                                                               
Services and asked whether it would  be better for areas that can                                                               
get by with charging less to do so rather than have a flat rate.                                                                
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLESPIE said that Co-Chair Meyer  has a good point and that                                                               
is why he didn't read the  sentence from Mr. Youmans' letter that                                                               
read, "We [AT&T  Wireless Services] also suggest the  rate be set                                                               
at 50 cents  as opposed to 'may not exceed'  50 cents to simplify                                                               
the rate structure for all wireless carriers and customers."                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 1903                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE GUESS  pointed out that if  a flat fee of  $.50 is                                                               
imposed, then those communities  that are currently charging $.75                                                               
may not  be able to  pay for this  [enhanced 911] system  in that                                                               
local community.   Therefore, Representative Guess  expressed the                                                               
need to keep the differential.                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLESPIE  said that is  a decision for the  legislative body                                                               
to make.   However, he reiterated the corporate  reluctance to go                                                               
on record [as supporting] a surcharge above $.50.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  posed a situation in  which an Anchorage                                                               
cellular phone  is used to make  a call in Bethel.   She inquired                                                               
as to  the rate the individual  would pay.  She  assumed that the                                                               
Anchorage rate would be paid.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
MR. GILLESPIE answered that he believes that would be the case.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  GUESS said  that the  surcharge would  be derived                                                               
from the  location that  bills.  Therefore,  there would  be some                                                               
cost transfers  between municipalities "that will  never happen,"                                                               
she said.                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER   clarified  that  in  the   situation  posed  by                                                               
Representative Kerttula,  the money  would go to  Anchorage, even                                                               
though the call was made to  Bethel.  He said, "Hopefully, in the                                                               
long run, that all works out."                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2049                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
RAY  MILLER,  Lieutenant,   Fairbanks  Police  Department  (FPD),                                                               
testified  via teleconference.   He  informed the  committee that                                                               
Fairbanks did a survey last  month, from which it determined that                                                               
44 percent  of its [911] calls  were wireless.  He  also informed                                                               
the  committee  that  [FPD]  is  trying to  put  together  a  new                                                               
dispatch center.   The new equipment that would  allow receipt of                                                               
the ANI  and ALI  information from  wireless technology  has been                                                               
estimated to  cost about $600,000.   This legislation  would help                                                               
fund the purchase and maintenance of this equipment.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
LIEUTENANT  MILLER  said  that the  [Fairbanks]  dispatch  center                                                               
receives virtually  all the 911  calls from the northern  half of                                                               
Alaska.    With such  a  large  area  to  serve, the  ability  to                                                               
pinpoint  the location  is important  in order  to determine  the                                                               
appropriate response mechanism.                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2181                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TIM  BIGGANE,  Director,  Emergency Operations,  Fairbanks  North                                                               
Star  Borough, testified  via teleconference.    He informed  the                                                               
committee that the Fairbanks North  Star Borough is in support of                                                               
HB  186.   Emergency Operations  is the  agency that  manages the                                                               
E911  system  in  Fairbanks.    Since 1997  a  surcharge  on  the                                                               
landline system has  been collected.  The surcharge  of $.65 pays                                                               
for the maintenance, the operational  database costs, and a long-                                                               
term  capital  replacement  program.    Mr.  Biggane  noted  that                                                               
although they  do receive  ANI information, it  is [only  a small                                                               
amount] and is  only received by one dispatch  center.  Fairbanks                                                               
is [considering]  building a regional  dispatch center  that will                                                               
bring  dispatch  centers  together.    Mr.  Biggane  said,  "This                                                               
technology ...  enhances the ability for  us to take a  E911 call                                                               
(indisc.)  dispatch   center  and  provide  a   higher  level  of                                                               
service."                                                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BIGGANE turned  to AT&T's  suggestion of  a flat  rate.   He                                                               
encouraged the committee to maintain  the current language in the                                                               
bill in  order to allow  the local  government entity to  set the                                                               
surcharge necessary to be able to  maintain the cost [of the E911                                                               
system].   Mr.  Biggane mentioned  that Fairbanks  has a  capital                                                               
replacement fund that  was started in 1997 to  replace the entire                                                               
system within  ten years.   However, technology has  moved faster                                                               
than that, which  means Fairbanks is behind in that  aspect.  Add                                                               
to that  the possibility of  lowering the surcharge [if  the flat                                                               
fee  suggestion is  adopted]  and this  will  create a  different                                                               
surcharge  between  the  landline   surcharge  and  the  wireless                                                               
surcharge,   which  will   make   for   an  interesting   battle.                                                               
Therefore, Mr.  Biggane encouraged  allowing the  local community                                                               
to  set  the  necessary  surcharge   in  order  to  maintain  the                                                               
operation  of long-term  capital.   He remarked  that the  Denali                                                               
location is  necessary.   In conclusion,  he reiterated  that the                                                               
Fairbanks North Star Borough does support the bill.                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
MR.  BIGGANE,  in  response to  Co-Chair  Meyer,  explained  that                                                               
Fairbanks  began with  a surcharge  of $.75  that was  reduced to                                                               
$.65 after the first year.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  expressed  his  encouragement  in  hearing  that                                                               
scenario because he hoped that  communities would only charge the                                                               
amount needed.                                                                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
Number 2390                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE KERTTULA  mentioned that  if tourists  are dialing                                                               
911, their phone  is probably from out-of-state.   Therefore, she                                                               
pondered whether, at  some point, there would  be technology that                                                               
would allow  the surcharge to be  placed on the phone.   Perhaps,                                                               
that would be a disincentive for people to call 911.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
Number 2461                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
SCOOTER WELCH, Chief, Fairbanks  Police Department, testified via                                                               
teleconference.   He noted his  support of  HB 186.   He recalled                                                               
when  the  community of  Fairbanks  and  the North  Star  Borough                                                               
didn't have  the technology available  to provide  public safety,                                                               
police, fire,  and Emergency Medical  Service (EMS)  providers on                                                               
scene when a call was disconnected.   The ability to have an E911                                                               
system  has made  the police  department's job  much simpler  and                                                               
provides  an  additional  level   of  safety  to  the  community.                                                               
Furthermore, the  ability to have  cellular technology  in Alaska                                                               
has been  a great asset,  but it has technologically  impacted us                                                               
in many  ways.  In  conclusion, Mr. Welch reiterated  his support                                                               
of the bill.                                                                                                                    
                                                                                                                                
Number 2560                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
TIM ROGERS,  Legislative Coordinator, Municipality  of Anchorage,                                                               
explained that the  original intent with this  legislation was to                                                               
mirror the language  that is already in place for  landlines.  He                                                               
noted  that "we"  worked closely  with AT&T  Wireless and  ACS in                                                               
order to ensure  their concerns were addressed in the  bill.  Mr.                                                               
Rogers  turned to  the question  of how  much money  is currently                                                               
collected  from the  surcharge.   Currently, the  Municipality of                                                               
Anchorage receives  almost $900,000 a year  [from the surcharge],                                                               
which is  a fraction of the  cost of running the  dispatch center                                                               
or the  cost to upgrade  the system.  Currently,  a multi-million                                                               
dollar  upgrade to  the E911  system is  occurring in  Anchorage.                                                               
The current surcharge helps offset a  portion of that and thus it                                                               
is hoped that the wireless surcharge will also help.                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  related his understanding that  (E911) calls that                                                               
come in to the dispatch  center are automatically answered by the                                                               
police   department  and   then  routed   to  the   [appropriate]                                                               
department.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROGERS  answered that  is  the  current situation,  although                                                               
there   are  efforts   to  consolidate   the  dispatch   centers.                                                               
Currently, an upgrade  is occurring in order to make  that a more                                                               
efficient system.   In  further response  to Co-Chair  Meyer, Mr.                                                               
Rogers affirmed that a wireless surcharge would help with that.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  inquired as  to how much  money is  necessary for                                                               
the [dispatch center].                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROGERS related  his belief that the operating  budget for the                                                               
dispatch  center is  well over  $2 million  a year.   Mr.  Rogers                                                               
shared  Co-Chair Meyer's  understanding that  this is  a priority                                                               
and is important  to other cities besides Anchorage.   He pointed                                                               
out that the committee packet  should contain a letter of support                                                               
from   the  Alaska   Municipal  League   (AML)  Public   Works  &                                                               
Infrastructure Legislative Subcommittee.                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2726                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  recalled Mr. Rogers'  earlier testimony                                                               
that this legislation  was intended to mirror what  is already in                                                               
statute  for  wirelines and  apply  it  to  wireless.   From  the                                                               
sponsor statement,  Representative Murkowski understood  that the                                                               
reason to add  the wireless calls is because of  the current lack                                                               
of automatic  tracking with wireless  calls.  She  suggested that                                                               
there is a greater cost associated  with a wireless call versus a                                                               
wireline  call.   Therefore,  she  asked if  there  has been  any                                                               
discussion regarding  having a surcharge for  wireless calls that                                                               
is greater than the surcharge for wireline calls.                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROGERS  answered that  there  was  some discussion  on  that                                                               
matter.   However, it  was thought  to be  more palatable  to the                                                               
industry and the legislature if  the wireless surcharge was equal                                                               
to  that of  the  current  wireline surcharge.    He agreed  with                                                               
Representative  Murkowski  that  currently   it  is  more  labor-                                                               
intensive to  handle a wireless  call than  a wireline call.   He                                                               
reiterated earlier testimony regarding  the fact that an incident                                                               
will frequently  bring in multiple [wireless]  calls, which clogs                                                               
the system.                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  asked if  the Regulatory  Commission of                                                               
Alaska (RCA)  is involved  in setting  the surcharge  or ensuring                                                               
that the surcharge is reasonable.                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROGERS replied no and noted that this is exempt from RCA.                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  remarked that it would  seem reasonable                                                               
for wireless  calls, if  wireless calls are  a greater  source of                                                               
the  problem,  to   [pay  a  greater  portion].     However,  she                                                               
appreciated  the politics  of the  situation and  recognized that                                                               
perhaps this is a compromise.                                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  recalled his days  on the Anchorage  Assembly and                                                               
the telephone wars, during which it  was difficult to get all the                                                               
telephone companies to  agree.  However, the  carriers don't have                                                               
a problem with  this.  Co-Chair Meyer then asked  whether GCI has                                                               
been contacted.                                                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. ROGERS said  that he has spoken with GCI,  who is supposed to                                                               
send a letter [to the committee].                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE   GUESS    restated   Representative   Murkowski's                                                               
question  regarding allowing  the  flexibility to  have a  higher                                                               
surcharge.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
MR.  ROGERS restated  his earlier  answer that  those discussions                                                               
have occurred, but it was  felt best politically to maintain [the                                                               
current surcharge].                                                                                                             
                                                                                                                                
Number 2909                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
GINA   WEYMILLER,  Supervisor,   Wheeler  University   Dispatcher                                                               
Center,  testified via  teleconference.   Ms. Weymiller  remarked                                                               
that  one of  the  tangible benefits  of  the wireless  surcharge                                                               
would  be  the resource  allocation.    Currently, when  cellular                                                               
calls come  in and  the individual  doesn't know  their location,                                                               
then resources are  sent out to search for these  locations.  She                                                               
said  that  she  is  speaking  strictly from  the  fire  and  EMS                                                               
perspective,  although she  imagined there  to be  the same  case                                                               
with the  police.  She pointed  out that all the  money collected                                                               
from the  current surcharge  is going  towards equipment  with no                                                               
cost recovery for training.   Therefore, with wireline calls, the                                                               
technology affords the location of  the caller, but there are not                                                               
adequate [resources] ...                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
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MS. WEYMILLER continued, "[to increase  funding] coming in to the                                                               
PSAPs."   She  informed the  committee that  [Fairbanks] is  also                                                               
looking at a consolidated dispatch  center, which would bring all                                                               
the resources  together and thus  the standard of  training could                                                               
be  brought up  to a  higher level.   In  the Wheeler  University                                                               
Dispatch  Center  the  volume  of  cellular  calls  is  about  14                                                               
percent.   In conclusion, Ms.  Weymiller remarked that HB  186 is                                                               
overdue.                                                                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
Number 2889                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
MARK  JOHNSON,  Chief,  Community   Health  &  Emergency  Medical                                                               
Services,  Division  of Public  Health,  Department  of Health  &                                                               
Social Services, testified in support of  HB 186.  He agreed that                                                               
receiving  [wireless]  calls from  people  who  don't know  their                                                               
location is  a growing problem.   He  pointed out that  delays in                                                               
emergency situations  can be life-threatening.   Although he said                                                               
that  he  was  pleased  to  see  the  section  dealing  with  the                                                               
extraterritorial jurisdiction,  Mr. Johnson mentioned  that there                                                               
is a continuing  problem in not having enhanced  [911] service in                                                               
some of  the rural  areas in  the state.   From  discussions with                                                               
various people,  Mr. Johnson  does believe there  to be  an issue                                                               
regarding the  volumes of phones and  the cost of putting  in the                                                               
equipment, which he  believes to be one of  the justifications of                                                               
a  $.75 surcharge  for smaller  communities.   In  regard to  the                                                               
future, Mr. Johnson encouraged someone  to develop a solution for                                                               
the rural  areas outside  the municipalities.   However,  for now                                                               
this is a good piece of legislation that [DHSS] supports.                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
CO  CHAIR MEYER  inquired  as to  how the  rural  areas could  be                                                               
helped.                                                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
MR.  JOHNSON answered  that Senator  Pearce, the  sponsor of  the                                                               
1994  legislation,  should  be  contacted  in  reference  to  the                                                               
history  of  the  [wireline surcharge].    However,  Mr.  Johnson                                                               
related his  belief that initial  discussions involved  the state                                                               
collecting the fee,  which was problematic [due  to the inability                                                               
to have] a  dedicated fund.  The legislation was  then drafted so                                                               
that  the  fee would  be  collected  at  the local  level,  which                                                               
apparently solved the  dedicated fund problem.   Still, there are                                                               
situations  that  occur outside  of  municipalities  in which  an                                                               
individual doesn't know their location  and that causes problems.                                                               
Mr. Johnson  said that  for those  areas the  solution has  to be                                                               
completely different and thus, for now, HB 186 is appropriate.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  asked  Mr.  Johnson  to  review  the  difference                                                               
between the $.50 and $.75 [wireline] surcharge.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
MR. JOHNSON  related his  understanding that  there is  a certain                                                               
cost  involved with  obtaining the  equipment to  do this  at the                                                               
PSAP.   In  the  smaller communities,  there  wouldn't be  enough                                                               
volume, which  was the justification  for having the  higher $.75                                                               
surcharge.                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI  asked if anyone that  the committee has                                                               
heard from today is opposed to HB 186.                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER replied no.                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2662                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
JULIE KRAFFT,  Alaska Municipal League,  testified in  support of                                                               
HB  186.   She noted  AML's letter  of support  in the  committee                                                               
packet that, in part, said the following:                                                                                       
                                                                                                                                
     In  1994 the  state adopted  a bill,  supported by  the                                                                    
     [Alaska] Municipal  League, allowing  municipalities to                                                                    
     place a  50 cents  to 75 cents  per month  surcharge on                                                                    
     hard-wired telephones to help  offset the costs for the                                                                    
     critical  life-saving  services  of the  911  emergency                                                                    
     telephone system.   With the  dramatic increase  in the                                                                    
     use  of  cellular   phones,  especially  for  emergency                                                                    
     calls, it  is equitable  and appropriate to  extend the                                                                    
     same charge to cellular phones.                                                                                            
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER asked  if this  is  a priority  of the  Municipal                                                               
League of Cities.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
MS. KRAFFT  said that although this  issue hasn't made it  to the                                                               
top of the list, "we very much support this."                                                                                   
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER asked  if there  was  anyone else  who wished  to                                                               
testify.  There being no one,  the public testimony portion of HB
186  was closed.   He  noted that  he had  received a  request to                                                               
offer an  amendment that would  establish the  wireless surcharge                                                               
at $.50 regardless of the size of the location.                                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
Number 2536                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR  MEYER  moved that  the  committee  adopt the  following                                                               
amendment:                                                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
     Page 2, lines 7 - 13:                                                                                                      
          Delete "For a municipality with a population of                                                                       
     100,000 or  more, an enhanced  911 [THE]  surcharge may                                                                
     not  exceed  50  cents  per  month  for  each  wireless                                                                
     telephone number or  50 cents per month  for each [PER]                                                                
     local  exchange access  line  for wireline  telephones.                                                                
     For a  municipality with fewer than  100,000 people, an                                                                
     enhanced 911  [THE] surcharge may  not exceed  75 cents                                                                
     per  month for  each  wireless telephone  number or  75                                                                
     cents per  month for each  [PER] local  exchange access                                                                
     line for wireline telephones."                                                                                         
                                                                                                                                
          Insert "For a municipality with a population of                                                                       
     100,000 or  more, an enhanced  911 [THE]  surcharge may                                                                
     not  exceed  50  cents  per month  per  local  exchange                                                                    
     access   line  for   wireline   telephones.     For   a                                                                
     municipality  with   fewer  than  100,000   people,  an                                                                
     enhanced 911  [THE] surcharge may  not exceed  75 cents                                                                
     per month  per local exchange access  line for wireline                                                                
     telephones.   An enhanced 911 surcharge  may not exceed                                                                
     50  cents   per  month  for  each   wireless  telephone                                                                
     number."                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI  objected because there  is the need  to be                                                               
flexible in  the face of not  knowing the costs for  the wireless                                                               
services, which seem to cost more per today's testimony.                                                                        
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER noted his agreement with Representative Scalzi.                                                                  
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE  MURKOWSKI related  her  understanding that  under                                                               
the amendment an area could have  a $.75 landline surcharge and a                                                               
$.50  wireless surcharge.    Therefore, she  inquired  as to  the                                                               
rationale behind that.                                                                                                          
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  mentioned the letter  from AT&T, which  seemed to                                                               
relate that it  would be easier to collect a  flat fee throughout                                                               
the entire state.                                                                                                               
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE MURKOWSKI said she  understood, but noted [AT&T's]                                                               
"incredibly impressive billing techniques."                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
Number 2398                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
A  roll   call  vote  was  taken.     Representatives  Murkowski,                                                               
Kerttula,  Scalzi,   and  Meyer  voted  against   the  amendment.                                                               
Therefore, the amendment failed to be adopted by a vote of 0-4.                                                                 
                                                                                                                                
CO-CHAIR MEYER  explained that there  is a zero fiscal  note with                                                               
the understanding that there could be  a cost to the state if the                                                               
local  municipalities  decide  to   enact  an  ordinance.    This                                                               
legislation is merely an enabling statute.                                                                                      
                                                                                                                                
Number 2364                                                                                                                     
                                                                                                                                
REPRESENTATIVE SCALZI  moved to  report HB  186 out  of committee                                                               
with individual recommendations and  the accompanying zero fiscal                                                               
note.   There being no  objection, HB  186 was reported  from the                                                               
House Community and Regional Affairs Standing Committee.                                                                        

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